I like computers. I like the Internet. It's a tool that can be used. But don't be misled into thinking that these technologies are anything other than aspects of a degenerate economic system.

What's happened with society is that we have created these devices computers which already can register and process huge amounts of information which is a significant fraction of the amount of information that human beings themselves as a species can process.

I continue to meet people who have had their Web pages hijacked their browsers corrupted in some cases their children exposed to inappropriate material from these dangerous programs hidden in their family computers.

Anyway all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you.

People are so bad at driving cars that computers don't have to be that good to be much better. Any time you stand in line at the D.M.V. and look around you're like Oh my God I wish all these people were replaced by computer drivers.

This is what customers pay us for - to sweat all these details so it's easy and pleasant for them to use our computers. We're supposed to be really good at this. That doesn't mean we don't listen to customers but it's hard for them to tell you what they want when they've never seen anything remotely like it.

What I try to do is factor in how people use computers what people's problems are and how these technologies can get applied to those problems. Then I try to direct the various product groups to act on this information.

Security is I would say our top priority because for all the exciting things you will be able to do with computers - organizing your lives staying in touch with people being creative - if we don't solve these security problems then people will hold back.

But picketing - picketing for or against something and handing out literature - these are conspicuously formal actions. They have to be understood as indirect communication.

People break down after a couple of hours. All the defenses go down and there's a kind of communication that if I spent 20 years in a living room with one of these people I would never never know as much about them as I do in that one day.