I'm really thankful and complimented when people come to me and say thank you for the great times for all these years. But I don't think about it as being a leader.

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Okay let's talk about cartoon labels for half a second - some people think anything with a dog or a car or a colorful alien is garbage which is not true. Look at Big Moose Red. It's like a $6 wine with a cheesy label and it's actually a solid wine.