By the time I was 30 nobody would work with me. I was friendless I was hopeless I was suicidal lost my family - I mean it was bad. Bottomed out didn't know what I was going to do. I actually thought I was going to be a chef - go to work in a kitchen someplace.

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I think the record speaks for itself. These are two individuals who have been for the war when the headlines were good and against it when their poll ratings were bad.